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How much should you pay? I have a deductible. The cash price? A note: We are often asked in this crowdsourcing prototype project if we believe what we are being told by people who fill out our online form at the PriceCheck page. The answer: yes, we do. We have seen wide variations in health-care pricing. Deductible had not been met so I was responsible for all charges.

This does not include the two office visits required to obtain and analyze the results. There was no patient payment. Also one of our community members sent in a pricing sheet for imaging procedures from Health Diagnostics see below.

We could not find it on the Health Diagnostics website, so we are reproducing what was scanned and sent here. We are also attaching spreadsheets for several other imaging facilities that have posted prices online or made price lists to give to patients.

The Health Diagnostics website does not seem to have the Sacramento Street location. It does have one California location, in Alameda. No comments. Here they are: Both paid cash. My first foray into individual insurance and it sucked.

Need to shop around assuming can even get a price quote. Marina del Rey Hospital? This is very similar to the one coded , and usually the prices are comparable. I believe this is the price KP would charge an uninsured person.

A single payer plan would eliminate all of this paperwork, wasted time, angst, and headaches. Categories: Uncategorized. This explains a lot. I need an MRI annually on a Brain tummer. I have a deductible but get denied by my insurance. They are charged over 3 by the facility and the insurance carrier knocks it down to , I pay the difference as my deductible had not been met yet.

On the off years I am told by the facility that if I pay it up front, since it is denied by the insurance that I can have it done for , cash. The insurance co only paid dollars. Thanks for sharing the cost of getting MRI done in California. Contact us for more information. Everything we need to know about the lack of integrity in this area is:.

Yes, we need regulation, as you say. Prediction: watch for a move to prohibit crowd-sourcing of price data, complete with assertions that the resulting conclusions would be unreliable. In other words, we cannot threaten providers with not buying care, and we cannot threaten them with never going back again if we are ripped off. I think there is room for patients to communicate bad experiences regarding both care itself and its cost through social media. This is a big reason why we need both price and quality transparency tools for patients and referring doctors.

Patients incurred no penalty for choosing a high cost center and quality was deemed to be comparable no matter where they went. Patients in markets that had access to the price information were much more likely to choose lower cost centers. For more complex procedures like heart surgery, credible quality information is also critical but the transparency movement appears to be gaining some momentum albeit slowly.

I completely agree, we need regulators. Thanks Jeanne, you have done a great job throughout the exchanges on this blog.

You can call it health courts, or you can call it consumer protection, or you can call it Rumpelstiltzkin…………but some entity must rise up to slap down places like Bayonne. In the non-health economy, if you bill too much you cut off some of your customers.

This leads to strategic decisions. If a firm decides to send huge bills to non rich customers, they go broke. But in America we have decided more or less passively to let hospitals act as independent economic entities — rather than regulated public utilities. Power to the people, we say. My friend ePatient Dave de Bronkart talks of this as a moment at the dawn of social movement, like civil rights or feminism.

We must use our knowledge and our willpower — especially those of us here at THCB, with so much knowledge — and work together to elevate the good in this industry, of which there is much. And we must also shine a very clear light on those who enjoy ill-gotten gains and play money medicine, harming patients and tarnishing the reputations of the good people who are here to help.

Barry I would be delighted with the regulatory changes that you propose. At this time I do not know who will supply the political pressure to get them enacted, however. The uninsured are not a voting bloc, that has been shown over and over. Maybe a Nader-like consumer rights movement can move the dials. I still think that health courts could be like a nuclear option that is not enacted, but is threatened so that some action does take place.

Rather like the situation in postwar Europe, where the Communist party was a real threat and the parties in power enacted many social benefits so as to keep out the Communists. As many more people gain health insurance coverage under the ACA, including Medicaid expansion, I think there is a reasonable prospect that politicians, especially liberals, will turn their attention to costs and prices.

There is also the possibility of state level action. Among those running for governor in Massachusetts this year, for example, is Charlie Baker, former CEO of Harvard-Pilgrim Healthcare and a strong believer in price transparency. Just yesterday, I read a story on Yahoo about a man here in NJ who damaged his finger with a hammer. I wonder how hospital executives would feel if they were presented with such a bill and then hounded by collection agents to pay it and I also wonder how the hell they sleep at night.

When patients agree to be financially responsible for care, they are implicitly agreeing to pay a fair and reasonable sum, not sum outrageous amount pulled out of the air which is what chargemaster prices have become.

He used a cautery needle to pierce the nail and drain the hematoma and sent me on my way. Had I been uninsured, they would actually have tried to bill me more. If you really want the gory details…. It was billed under an incorrect procedure code. Although their billing sheet used by the doctors correctly describes it, the code used is actually for draining via incision not by cautery needle. Hospital billing of course insisted that the code was correct, because of course I could not possibly know that, could I?

Neither the hospital nor the insurer would tell me what the charge would be if the correct procedure were billed. Yet, the hospital records got updated from the clinic with the correct address, so I got those bills. I actually spoke to multiple people. The first one was nice, she figured out the error in the address and how it happened, but it stayed in collections. She was also insistent that they would never recall it from collections.

I ordered her to. And you WILL send me a bill at my correct address. And then I will pay it. And paid it. Anyway, I wrote the dr a letter complaining about the charges, got a call from a nurse saying that he agreed the charge was unfair for what was done.

And then I was never billed again. No EOBs, no communication at all on the subject. After that experience I decided to find a dr who was in independent practice. I now realize that it is important to me to have a dr who is in control of his billing.

I would have gone to court with it, arguing that the charges were fraudulent and abusive. Usually, the letter gets forwarded to the appropriate department in the organization and it just about always gets resolved to my satisfaction on a timely basis.

If you have a similar issue in the future, writing to the hospital CEO is worth a try. I once had a dispute involving much less with my local hospital that left me exasperated. A couple of days later, I got a call asking where I would like the check to be sent. Yes, Massachusetts is wrestling with price-fixing.

IT will be interesting to see if they can make that happen, given the political and logistical problems. Also, New Jersey: Ah, that hospital. These would be federally funded, placed in about locations, staffed by a mix of judges and doctors and citizens. Anyone who felt cheated by a health care bill could come before such a court.

All collection activity on such a bill would cease until the court had made a decision on fairness. The goal would not be to have thousands or even millions of transactions tied up in the courts. The goal would be to scare providers into treating people fairly. Small claims at least in this state now is hard to navigate for most people as lawyers ban any guidance by filing clerks on the process. Bob, I respect your opinions but think this one is just a wacky idea for something that should be unnecessary if these providers were regulated properly.

So-called price gouging affects mainly the uninsured and people who need care under emergency conditions and find themselves out of network. This issue of out of network providers used to come up all the time in hospitals with radiologists, anesthesiologists, pathologists and ER docs, none of whom the patient usually has any role in choosing. To foster price transparency, regulators or legislators need to eliminate the confidentiality agreements between insurers and providers that currently preclude the disclosure of actual contract reimbursement rates.

That way, both patients and referring doctors can much more easily identify the most cost-effective high quality providers in real time. We also need to get rid of the requirement that providers bill everyone, including Medicare and Medicaid, at the same rate which is the artificially high full list price or chargemaster rate in the case of hospitals. Medicare and Medicaid then pay their administered dictated price and insurers pay their contract rate less the member co-pay and deductible, if any.

Boy, I think it is about time that people start taking back health care. I am an RN, but unfortunately for the past 7 years I have been fighting insurance companies for reasonable health care. I write about health care as much as i can. First off, I am under wc workers compensation now for my back, and although my case is moving towards settlement finally , the third-party insurers for my former employers, have refused to approve almost all the treatment my doctors have asked for the care of my not-so-good lumbar spine.

Sometimes they say the claim is denied, other times they ignore what tests show. Since Feb, my pain doc an anesthesiologist has been requesting a CT Myelogram, where a radiologist injects dye into the spine and takes a CT after. I have had an MRI but it was inconclusive, because I have artificial discs in my spine that are stainless steel, which means they produce artifact on plain MRIs and CTs and that limits what the radiologist can see.

Their test is done in the hospital and the patient is kept afterwards on what is called a short-stay visit, which means less than 24 hours. This was after waiting over two months for what they call an Independent Medical Review IMR , sent by my doctor because I was being denied the myelogram, PT, injections, medication, etc..

I received a letter from the state wc entity that they were requesting missing info from the wc company they needed to determine the IMR. Yesterday, I went to a radiology center and signed a lein against my future wc settlement and got the test done.

They did not have me stay for four hours after the test, which most places recommend to check for side effects of the test and the dye they inject into the spine, but I am fine. This is so the small hole in the spinal canal the radiologist made heals and I do not get what they call a spinal headache, which sometimes requires more medical intervention.

I have missed months of life and have been living with moderate to severe pain everyday because of wc. Now, I hope I can get this fixed or at least better. Prior to wc I fought my private insurer starts with a B for back surgeries, which I got, but with them or wc, there is a common thread: they do not play by any rules and they do not have the patients best interests in mind.

I should say that I am not the only one who knows I have nerve compression, I did get what they called an EMG which showed I have nerve compression at two spinal levels, with it being moderate at one, where I have lost some nerve axons. This is the test that wc continues to deny I have done, although it was done last September.

They call this an objective test, although wc doctors have said in denial letters that I have no objective evidence of nerve compression. If the patient wants to go to a more expensive facility, he or she will be responsible for any additional cost above the reference price so call ahead for firm pricing. Our heretical notion: make it possible for the people to disclose those confidential rates, without waiting for state legislators, insurers, providers and all the other parties to come to an improbable agreement on disclosure, making such an agreement moot.

We may be crazy, but it looks to us like people are Incensed About The Prices and excited to open up their bills. Beyond that, two thoughts to your points: 1. On reference pricing. Who establishes the reference price?

We want full transparency — and let the market make the rules. I would still like to see the confidentiality agreements abolished so that referring doctors can identify the most cost-effective high quality providers in real time no matter what care they need and direct their patients to them.

My own primary care doc is a member of an ACO. I presume he is eligible for a bonus if he can keep costs for his patient panel below a targeted level. One of the best ways for him to do that is not to withhold care but to ensure that his patients receive necessary care from a cost-effective high quality provider and not have to send patients to an expensive hospital system where contract rates are high because of market power and not care quality.

Within a short time, another dozen or so agreed to the price so as not to lose business. As more and more patients are subject to high deductible health insurance, price sensitivity is increasing. It would be enormously helpful if this information were readily ascertainable in a systematic way in real time. By the way, non-hospital owned imaging centers are just about always significantly less expensive than hospitals and hospital owned stand alone facilities.

We agree about the confidentiality piece. The biggest impediment, by far, to true price transparency in healthcare are the confidentiality agreements between insurers and providers that preclude the disclosure of actual contract reimbursement rates.

It would be extremely helpful if both patients and referring doctors could easily ascertain contract reimbursement rates in real time for all the regional providers of a particular service, test or procedure. That way, patients could more easily and consistently be directed to the most cost-effective high quality providers. Bay Imaging Consultants Medical Group. California Adv.

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